edit: my bad i didnt realize it was a ref twin

i recently realized that sailor moon unironically features the 'horny lesbians trope' with sailor saturn and Neptune, and that whole trope is jut the redult of lesbians being fetishized

very very very very very very very dead post /ref

shes a great example, i was thinking the girl from the humpback of Notradame (i ABSOLUTELY butchered the spelling but im on nintendo and dont feel like looking it up)

i feel like the fact that i dont even know what te race is called kinda shows how terrible the representation is

Anyway, the fact that the issue is so hard for people to comprehend (despite our MULTIPLE examples that even connect to how this issue impacts real people and cultures, like the kimono and school girl example) says alot about society and frankly the forums main demographic...

For some reason beyond me my point got watered down into this weird accusation that I “don’t like attractive people of color” or that I’m mad because people find them attractive. That is not what I said, and it was never the point of the post. At all. Yes, there are situations where people immediately sexualize and obsess over certain identities — that absolutely happens online and anyone being honest can acknowledge that. But that wasn’t even the main argument I was making in the first place bffr.

Instead of actually engaging with the point I wrote, people decided to turn this into an annoying game of twisting the argument into something easier to attack. I’m being treated like I said “characters shouldn’t be attractive,” or that I’m trying to police what people find appealing, when my post was clearly about the difference between appreciation and fetishization and how people respond to certain identities (race and sexuality) in fandom spaces

And what makes it even more irritating is the follow-up responses that basically boil down to “well that’s just how the internet is so you shouldn’t care.” That logic is honestly so lazy. The internet being messy or weird does not suddenly make a discussion about media or behavior invalid. People talk about patterns in fandom and media culture all the time — that’s literally part of being in online spaces,discussion keeps fandoms alive and tbh idgaf if people don’t care for my point bc I’m going to express it either way bc it’s an issue but don’t go in my damn comments talking bout some “the internet is like that so worrying about it is unproductive” bullshit.

What really bothers me isn’t people disagreeing with me — Disagreement is normal and I expected that when I posted it bc the entire point was Not only to express an opinion but to get other opinions but what bothers me is watching people repeatedly misrepresent what I said, argue against that made-up version, and then act like my original point was stupid or nonexistent.

At that point it stops feeling like a discussion and starts feeling like people deliberately refusing to read what was actually written. And when that keeps happening over and over, it genuinely makes you feel like you’re being talked down to or treated like you’re unintelligent just for caring about the topic in the first place.

I don’t mind criticism, but if you’re going to respond to something I wrote, at least respond to the argument that actually exists, not a completely different one you invented so it’s easier to dismiss bc it rly shows unintelligence and ignorance and just ruins conversation amd makes it hard to educate other bc it makes the conversation have to loop back to other vaguely points that distract people from the general topic :(

TY the people who tried to understand my point ( @_Izzy_ )

like its kinda common sense but i never really thought and talked abt irl examples, this literally proves how fiction can effect reality

i feel like the classic school girl uniform is actually rlly fetishized which is weird bc like actual young girls wear it to school in japan and i feel like its just strange to sexualize a outfit thats meant for young girls... obviously japan is a vry different culture (not that that justifies anything) but i feel like this trope must have some sort of negative effect on these young girls, its just plain creepy in my opinion

i actually liked that show alot thought it definitely had....issues.