Charlie Kirk

pawthetic

id also like to point out how me making a post on her gets locked but this stays up. got it.

orbital

@pawthetic twin wtf? political rivalries spark constantly and both sides of the spectrum are constantly at eachothers throats. thats not what we're talking about tho.

perhaps the reason charlotte fosgate isnt as widely recognized is because she wasnt an internationally recognized political figure it doesnt make what happened to her any less terrible, its just the fact that charlie kirk had an audience. a [censored] big one. he was shot on NATIONAL television. his gender, his identification, and his background didnt influence the outrage, the fact that he had eyes on him from all over the country, both from supporters and haters, is what caused it.

pawthetic

@orbital good point. however; her death was on international social media

orbital

true, but visibility also isnt everything either. before her death she didnt really have a widely known reputation, but ck already had a massive platform. people knew who he was both before and after his death. re-iterating; his opinions and position didnt get him the recognition, his popularity did

orbital

and popularity isnt really rooted in support or distain, its just seeded in engagement. like how youre still supporting the algorithm of a video by disliking it

pawthetic

id respond but i lwk forgot what the base of the debate was

pawthetic

what do you call it like

pawthetic

the starting topic wtv

orbital

@pawthetic you said charlie kirk is only recognized because hes a cisgender white male

pawthetic

nono thats not what im saying

pawthetic

im saying people only care because he is

orbital

@pawthetic and ive given you all the reasons as to why thats bs

Woof26

Honestly hearing him yap against gun laws even with constant mass shootings in schools made it kinda poetic that he died with a shot,karma migh be actually real. Hope his family the best tho

orbital

@Woof26 yeah to no end am i saying he was a good guy, but for someone to be assassinated for their beliefs is terrifying. people have the stance to learn on "oh he was disagreeable and a zionist!" which is FUNDIMENTALLY TRUE, but you wont be able to lean on that when its someone YOU support. to put it in perspective; the reason people are upset is because a man got shot for nothing more than someone disagreeing with him. that's all his life amounted to, and thats why his life ended. that's not a safe reality for anyone to live in no matter if their beliefs align with yours or not

pawthetic

@Woof26 you cant tell me it isnt karma lets be real

Woof26

@orbital Of course, political violence is terrible n dystopian as hell n should not be encouraged,im just saying i dont feel bad abt the dude being gone

pawthetic

@Woof26 PREAACHH

orbital

@pawthetic twin why are you acting like i just got checkmated or sum i AGREE with wolf and understand their point. yours is leaned very far into systematic bias though

pawthetic

@orbital im not..? im agreeing with them??

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@pawthetic Yeah you act like their aren't a share of people who cared for the trans [censored] too- OBVIOUSLY there aren't gonna be as many but that DEFINITELY isn't due to race or gender as you are glossing over the fact that hardly anyone on the left is hurt by this. The care stems from the fact he was a large political figure, and I see TONS OF PEOPLE mock his death, to which you've seemed to turn a blind eye to because you, like many others, disagree with him and have no reason to care. I'm absolutely positive trans folk laughed at his death as he opposed LGTBQ+ and while I heavily disagree with 98% of his views, I find it terrible to laugh at ANYONE'S death. And stop trying to argue like 89% of the population is homophobic, nowadays most democrats and even a lot of republicans are in support. Just because one [censored] got mocked (Which is terrible, I agree with you), doesn't make everyone [censored] and transphobic. Ultimately there is ALWAYS going to be two sides of a coin, the more well know you are the more people to your aid.