thoughts of someone who belives in god to support lbgtq
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In my opinion, Religion and Science are two different things. Science is proven by facts and evidence while Religion is just made up of beliefs. Therefore, I think they don't mix at all.
@Raven I believe religion and science compliment each other in many aspects, while science can be used to help explain the creation of the world, for example the world was created by a spontaneous combustion, we all know that. But applying religion into the mix, we can have an idea of how it was done morally. God made the earth using spontaneous combustion. So while science can help prove facts, I believe religion can help us understand the morals that come with these facts
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I Believe In God, And Being Gay Stuff Like That...Is A Sin. I'm Not Gay Tho, I Would Start Reading The Bible, But My Dad Has To Teach Me How To Read It. But Yeah I Think If Everyone Believe In God, The World Would Become A Better Place, But Ofc That Not Gonna Happen Because Everyone Has There Own Opinion And I Respect Don't Get Me Wrong Oh And (No Offense At All)
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In my opinion, Religion and Science are two different things. Science is proven by facts and evidence while Religion is just made up of beliefs. Therefore, I think they don't mix at all.
@Raven I'm not entirely sure if they mix or not, but it's more like this to me:
Religion is the absence of evidence, while Science is the compilation of evidence
If that makes sense at all??
Take it like...
Before we knew fossils and dinosaurs and our ancestors existed, majority of us said god created us. But when we found fossils, we found that evolution was a thing, disproving religion in that aspect.
Take something from Religion (any of them tbh) apply scientific evidence and you have Science.
Religion is our first belief in something, before we take a look at what earth and space have for us and we make sense of it. -
I respect your opinions and point of views. However, I still don't agree Religion and Science mix!
Again, religion is simply made up of beliefs and practices.. Nothing in a religions past history that can be found in a "bible" or whatever holy book they have can be proven through science, you are following a religion or religious practice by faith, not evidence or science. Unless something in a holy book is actually considered to be science, religion and science don't mix for that reason.
If I am a Christian, which I am, then I am going to following the Christianity religious beliefs or practices because of the fact I have faith in the religion. Considering there probably isn't any physical human beings here (alive) that experienced the stuff first hand that is mentioned in the bible, I am following my religion because I have faith in it. You can't say something about a belief is true or false when using science or evidence brought from science.
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i think that people are entitled to their own opinion and i am going to kindly request we stop debating this as it can quickly get out of hand.
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i think that people are entitled to their own opinion and i am going to kindly request we stop debating this as it can quickly get out of hand.
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I wanted to chime in here with a pro-Christianity view of LGBT acceptance. Most of it focuses on the New Testament. You can find Christian scholars on both sides of this argument.
Regarding acceptance or support, this page contains many direct bible quotes of LGBTQ-affirming scripture: https://www.sthugh.net/lgbtq-affirming-scripture (top Google search result for "pro lgbt bible quotes")
Most relevant to this discussion is:
God welcomes people of all genders and sexual identities. “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28) Jesus gladly socialized with people that the religious establishment disapproved of. (Matthew 9:11)
And then this follow-up one:
Jesus acknowledged that gender variance exists, and he did not condemn it. “For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 19:12)
That page links this site, for finding local churches that share those kinds of sentiments: https://www.gaychurch.org
I will also say anecdotally, where I live (a progressive area, granted) there are usually many Christian churches that have the rainbow LGBT flag out front. What "support" means to each person in this context, I suppose will differ on which sect of the faith you practice.
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@Raven I'm not entirely sure if they mix or not, but it's more like this to me:
Religion is the absence of evidence, while Science is the compilation of evidence
If that makes sense at all??
Take it like...
Before we knew fossils and dinosaurs and our ancestors existed, majority of us said god created us. But when we found fossils, we found that evolution was a thing, disproving religion in that aspect.
Take something from Religion (any of them tbh) apply scientific evidence and you have Science.
Religion is our first belief in something, before we take a look at what earth and space have for us and we make sense of it.@Catboy-Gaming evolution didn't disprove religion at all, because for evolution to happen there needs to be something first, and from where did that something come from? God.
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I'm Christian and I'm Bisexual.
So... the struggle has always been there for me. Especially since I live with my homophobic parents.
BUT, I will say that if God is every loving and merciful and made me this way when I was born, He probably wouldn't care if I dated a guy for a girl. Idk it's just my take. -
I wanted to chime in here with a pro-Christianity view of LGBT acceptance. Most of it focuses on the New Testament. You can find Christian scholars on both sides of this argument.
Regarding acceptance or support, this page contains many direct bible quotes of LGBTQ-affirming scripture: https://www.sthugh.net/lgbtq-affirming-scripture (top Google search result for "pro lgbt bible quotes")
Most relevant to this discussion is:
God welcomes people of all genders and sexual identities. “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28) Jesus gladly socialized with people that the religious establishment disapproved of. (Matthew 9:11)
And then this follow-up one:
Jesus acknowledged that gender variance exists, and he did not condemn it. “For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 19:12)
That page links this site, for finding local churches that share those kinds of sentiments: https://www.gaychurch.org
I will also say anecdotally, where I live (a progressive area, granted) there are usually many Christian churches that have the rainbow LGBT flag out front. What "support" means to each person in this context, I suppose will differ on which sect of the faith you practice.
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I've actually been inside a Christian church with a LGBT+ library before so If they're ok with the community... Then it's probably not a big deal in God's eyes if two people of the same gender get married. -
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.so where does this say he supported it its shown as punishment , unnatural, and shameful so please enlighten me
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god is all loving and forgiving so he will forgive our sins but that does not mean he supports them and as Christians, we should not support sin either it is shown in Romans 1:26-27 that god finds it is shameful and unnatural he used these types of relations as a punishment
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god is all loving and forgiving so he will forgive our sins but that does not mean he supports them and as Christians, we should not support sin either it is shown in Romans 1:26-27 that god finds it is shameful and unnatural he used these types of relations as a punishment
@bunny True
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You don't need to listen to a religion to support someone, especially if it doesn't effect you. LGBTQ people are just trying to live their lives and want to be left alone. You'd still support a vegetarian or vegan by giving them the things they need, so why is it different when someone likes someone else?
It's your religion, do what you want. But in my eyes, if God has a mission or whatever for everyone, then they should be free to follow it.
(If I sound rude I apologize)
(Also I'm not Christian at all)@Catboy-Gaming EXACTLYYY thank you
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i think that people are entitled to their own opinion and i am going to kindly request we stop debating this as it can quickly get out of hand.
@sam-the-cat i love how respectful this site is in comparison to reddit or 4chan
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Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.so where does this say he supported it its shown as punishment , unnatural, and shameful so please enlighten me
@bunny I think it's funny when people say being gay is unnatural
Because it is completely natural
We have countless instances of nearly all of the animals on our earth being gay/lesbian
We also have instances of animals being transgender, going from ducks to deer to fish -
i dont control peoples sexuality nor do I care what people do. but as a Christian, i will stay straight (probably)
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i dont control peoples sexuality nor do I care what people do. but as a Christian, i will stay straight (probably)
@Andyboi the probably is so funny to me, and by the by, you dont choose your sexuality, or gender identity. its just the kind of thing ur brain is like. WELL LETS SPIN THE WEEL OF FORTUNE!!!1!!! to. i know i diddnt chose to be ace, but i like your views on things, we need more people like you
