u guys need to be more woke

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ I personally wouldn't call it a mental disorder because being transgender basically means you don't align with the expected social constructs of your given gender. I believe that everyone is more than just their bodies and the s3x they're given, and allowing people to express themselves the way they choose only breaks conformity.

I think being transgender stems from personal distaste towards the aforementioned social constructs of gender. For example, if an AMAB individual dislikes stereotypical masculinity, they would want to present themselves femininely. Or, they could just like presenting themselves femininely because they just enjoy doing so. You can enjoy eating chocolate ice cream, while others like plain vanilla because it's the standard flavor. I'm also not saying that the s3x of your birth needs to be ignored, but gender shouldn't be something that defines who you are without even asking you, yourself for permission first. However, sometimes the person really just dislikes their s3x, and is why they opt out for gender realignment surgeries and such. Which, I support, because you never get to choose what you're born as. All the power to people, especially if it can help them feel more comfortable in their own skin.

Although, I do believe that being transgender could be a result of past trauma or things as such. For example, let's say you enjoy playing with cars instead of Barbies as an AFAB, your mother tells you to be more 'lady-like' and that girls don't play with these kinds of toys,' and things of that nature. The child might think to themselves that since they don't fit the societal norm of feminity, they don't feel worthy of being labeled as a girl. This can send someone down a spiral of dysphoria, but can also lead to self discovery (speaking from experience). There's a plehtora of other examples, but this is just one of them. Judging also based on this parenting style, it could be a reason why certain queer individuals have some mental disorders as you mentioned. But once again, being transgender could just be out of personal interest.

Not to mention, Autism and other disorders were only treated as something to be taken seriously recently as well as queer individuals themselves. You wouldn't bully an autistic person for being born with the disability, likewise for trans individuals; you shouldn't bully them for disliking their body because they didn't get to choose as well. Autistic individuals are also regarded as being out of the norm, so it's not something entirely crazy for them to be trans or queer themselves. It really fits into the 'outcasts' and 'unconventuality.' Autism as a whole is a spectrum, and not everyone has the same experiences (obviously).

Anyways, sorry for yapping, just really wanted to share my views on this

[punkrotting]

@_Izzy_ "feeling like youre something youre not" tgirls ARE girls and tboys ARE boys

[seal]

@w1ckedsticky1983 100/10 explanation

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@seal ty brah 🥹

[w1ckedsticky1983]

sex ≠ gender

[_Izzy_]

@w1ckedsticky1983 is what you described not gender disphoria tho? i think what u said abt not aligning with societies expectations makes sense but you can be a feminine man and even where dresses and still be a man if that makes sense (like rosado from fire emblemmm<3)
but if you 'dont like your [censored]' isnt that gender dysphoria?
anyways thanks for explaining it to me more, i think what im getting is its just a way ppl identify but its usually to cope with the mental disorder that is gemder dysphoria

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ well, gender dysphoria and being transgender can coexist at the same time. Feeling as if you're born in the wrong body is expected if you're transgender. It primarily depends on the person themselves and how comfortable they are in their born s3x and everything. Also, yw 4 explaining :P

[punkrotting]

@_Izzy_ No way you just said "cant you just be a feminine man"

[freedom fries]

@seal And you're completely dismissing "both sides are bad" as claims. No. They're simple facts. Have you been to a pride parade? It's probably the grossest shit you'll ever see that's legal. People peeing in rainbow pools isn't because they're "proud," it's because they're predatory sΕx gremlins.
Not to mention saying "misogyny is in everything" and "racism is in everything" is just ignorant and an immature exaggeration.

[_Izzy_]

@punkrotting wtf is wrong with saying that??? alot of men are feminine and still identify as men so idk what ur tryna say

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ feminity and identifying a women are different

[_Izzy_]

@w1ckedsticky1983 thats what im saying bruh TvT

[_Izzy_]

@freedom-fries bro WHAT pride parades are so fun TvT ig theres always bad apples but theyre actually pretty chill atleast the one in Springfield

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ but you're saying 'well, men can dress femininely, but can still identify as a male,' which is true, but isn't what being transgender is at all.

[freedom fries]

@_Izzy_ Subjective. If you think cheering on people in rainbow thongs on bicycles with old men swimming in pee-filled kiddie pools on the street is fun, you can think that if you like.

[seal]

@freedom-fries im talking about the ideals/policies/leaders of both sides, not the followers. both sides have strange members

you saying misogyny and racism ISNT in everything shows how privledged white men are

[seal]

@freedom-fries what pride parades r u going to bc this isnt normzl behzvior
and u being bi but subtly homophobic is killing me icl

[_Izzy_]

@w1ckedsticky1983 thats literally my point, you said its not a mental illness and some ppl just arent the norm and may choose to identify as trans, im saying that you can not fit the norm and not necessarily be trans

ima be real im done with this convo now:/

[_Izzy_]

@freedom-fries idk what pride parades you be checking out, like i said if you read my reply, the ones in Springfield are chill

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ I dunno, I would just advise you to reread your posts with a neutral pov, because it really isnt what you're saying at all. Anyways, conversation = donezo 🥶🥶🔥✨‼️⛓️⛓️🖤🥀🔥