@spwnchild if it was treated like a mental illness yea your insurance should have to pay for stuff like that

@french_fry_guy well obviously that makes sense bc your making your body match how you feel, i feel like that proves my point that as a society we should look at it as something people are born with that can be compensated for and helped (like stuff used to transition)

@french_fry_guy that sucks, what i was tryna say is that i dont think ppl who dont have gender dysphoria are trans bc from my understanding thats what it is, and i also consider feeling/ believeing that your a guy when biologically your arent is what being trans is
i hope what i said didnt make you feel bad bc its not abt invalidating you guys, just understanding better

@w1ckedsticky1983 its fine ig but i feel like now you guys are kinda dragging this TvT

anyways i said what i said so im out now unless yall wana keep yapping back and forth:P

@w1ckedsticky1983 woah what the [censored] are you talking about??? how is that saying ppl are groomed into being queer? i was saying i dont like when ppl act like i chose to be gay bc i was born this way and alot of ppl use the idea that its a choice to be homophobic

i dont get where you got that from??? is it not normal that i was born gay??? TvT i thought that was the universal experience
your just looking for smth to say atp TvT

@spwnchild is it?

@ev.sebastian im just saying why i think its a disorder and why i dont think thats necessarily bad to say
and i didnt say trans ppl were silly
i said the obsession with micro labels (on social media particularly) is silly
and i said trans isnt a micro label

@w1ckedsticky1983 not rlly, his point was just that he thought the lgbtq community would be more unified if it was simpler if that makes sense
i feel like yall are tryna start smth:/

also when did i eimg gay a disorder? i just said if it was i wouldnt care bc it doesnt change the fact that im gayTvT

@w1ckedsticky1983 i can respond for myself btw TvT

@ev.sebastian i think trans ppl should have their own community, and that microlables are silly but trans isnt a microlabel and no i didnt make that post i did agree with it tho

i dont think theyre bad but i think the obsession over them online kinda divides ppl instead of unifying them

but if you like girls... you dont feel like u like boys?? TvT im gay and idc if its disorder bc it doesn't matter TvT
i just hate whn ppl act like i chose to be born gay when i wasnt
maybe it is a disorder, either way im gay and aslong as ppl are respectful abt it i dont mind

@punkrotting im not transphobic tho... i literally said it being a disorder isnt bad
pls actually read what i said or stop replying
id never treat someone badly for being trans bc thats just who they are?? just bc i see smth as a mental illness doesnt mean id discriminate against ppl bc of it

your just looking for a excuse to call me transphobic bc you disagree with me which is messed up bc theres ppl who rlly are transphobic and dont even wana listen to there perspectives and actively hate on them and i am not one of those ppl

and im only saying all this bc i think if it was acknowledged for what it is, and we as a society became more accepting of mental illness, thered be less transphobia

@w1ckedsticky1983 ok bro TvT

@punkrotting huhhh??? im sorry if you have male genitals and FEEL like a female, thats a disorder TvT

@w1ckedsticky1983 hence it being a disorder, which like i said is ok TvT
we rlly going in circles lol

@punkrotting mb, i meant they FEEL like something they arent, hence it being a disorder (gender dysphoria)

@w1ckedsticky1983 i agree with the first part, being more accepting of mental illness would solve transphobia once we started acknowledging it as a mental illness
anyway idk wtf your second part is on abt i literally said it being a mental illness doesnt invalidate how they feel
if your a woman and feel like your a man your trans TvT
i feel like we're going in circles, if you dont understand my point then thats on you bc i explained it clearly this time

@punkrotting you clearly dont understand what i wrote:/

@freedom-fries how am i wrong? please actually explain it

@w1ckedsticky1983 theres nothing wrong with considering it to be a disorder and i feel like that fact doesnt invalidate trans ppl bc what they feel is very much real and like i mentioned earlier i respect ppls pronouns and am not transphobic, i just dont get why it isnt recodnized as a disorder to be accepted

i think there would be less transphobia if we as a society acknowledged it for what it is and non-trans ppl would be able to understand it better which is the first step to being tolerant towards it and more accepting bc the way its viewed/talked about is just more confusing for non-trans folk and its contradicting

and like i mentioned earlier alot of non-trans ppl claiming to be trans is diluting its meaning, like i said being a feminine guy who even wheres dresses maybe doesnt make you trans, its a actual mental disorder real people experience and now its just a label ppl use to be a part of community

and once again this is why i wish they were separate from us bc it rlly should be its own thing