u guys need to be more woke

[_Izzy_]

ok yall dont cancel me but since we're talkin bout trans folk

is it wrong that i view being trans as a mental disorder? /gen

i dont understand why like viewing it as one is negative and i think itd make ppl less transphobic
like any other mental disorder you dont choose to be born that way, most ppl wouldnt bully a autistic person for being autistic because theyre born that way and ppl dont chose to have a mental illness

and feeling like your something your not is definitely not orderly so i feel like its objectively a illness
amd thats ok
like i still respect my trans friends pronouns and use them
i dont get why saying its a mental disorder is bad because mental disorders exist and i feel like as a society we know better and are more excepting of them

bc if being trans is a disorder then what is it? i feel like this confuses ppl and leads to MORE transphobia

so is there something im misunderstanding? bc im very confident that it IS a mental disorder but have been kinda scared to ask ppl (ignore my typos)

also ive NEVER met a trans person who doesn't have another mental disorder (usually adhd or autism)

unrelated but this is why i dont like that trans and nonbinary ppl are a part of the lgb, bc now its not about sexuality anymore and is including a mental illness? it feels like it isnt for us anymore if that makes sense, i wish they had theyre own group instead bc its weird to associate being non heterosexual with a mental disorder

also im not transphobic for feeling this way, if someone is chill theyre chill but i do still see it as a disorder and i dont get how it could be seen as anything else:/

[freedom fries]

@punkrotting song

[seal]

@_Izzy_ BEING trans isnt a mental disorder, thats just how they identify, but i feel like the "gender dysphoria" they experience should be (if its not already)
and im not trying to be mean but this comment is kinda transphobic because trans is included in lgbtq bc its about your identity. believe it or not, their experiences are very similar to non-heterosexuals experiences.
for example, i had a VERY well passing bf who was terrified for months to tell me he was trans (ftm) even though he knew i supported lgbtq
he did actually have autism tho, and he was abusive

[freedom fries]

@seal You're cracking down on all other opinions except "woke." Other opinions exist, mine for example isn't woke, conservative, or centrist.

[_Izzy_]

@seal i dont get why its transphobic
even if they have similar experiences i dont get why they cant have their own group instead???
but what u said makes sense ig, but dont all trans ppl have gender dysphoria, i thought thats kinda the point? so basically most trans ppl identify as trans to cope with their mental disorder?

like i said it just feels kinda lame like i dont rlly relate to ppl in my own community and i feel like they should just be a completely separate community
its not that deep tho and im not transphobic bc that would be dumb

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ I personally wouldn't call it a mental disorder because being transgender basically means you don't align with the expected social constructs of your given gender. I believe that everyone is more than just their bodies and the s3x they're given, and allowing people to express themselves the way they choose only breaks conformity.

I think being transgender stems from personal distaste towards the aforementioned social constructs of gender. For example, if an AMAB individual dislikes stereotypical masculinity, they would want to present themselves femininely. Or, they could just like presenting themselves femininely because they just enjoy doing so. You can enjoy eating chocolate ice cream, while others like plain vanilla because it's the standard flavor. I'm also not saying that the s3x of your birth needs to be ignored, but gender shouldn't be something that defines who you are without even asking you, yourself for permission first. However, sometimes the person really just dislikes their s3x, and is why they opt out for gender realignment surgeries and such. Which, I support, because you never get to choose what you're born as. All the power to people, especially if it can help them feel more comfortable in their own skin.

Although, I do believe that being transgender could be a result of past trauma or things as such. For example, let's say you enjoy playing with cars instead of Barbies as an AFAB, your mother tells you to be more 'lady-like' and that girls don't play with these kinds of toys,' and things of that nature. The child might think to themselves that since they don't fit the societal norm of feminity, they don't feel worthy of being labeled as a girl. This can send someone down a spiral of dysphoria, but can also lead to self discovery (speaking from experience). There's a plehtora of other examples, but this is just one of them. Judging also based on this parenting style, it could be a reason why certain queer individuals have some mental disorders as you mentioned. But once again, being transgender could just be out of personal interest.

Not to mention, Autism and other disorders were only treated as something to be taken seriously recently as well as queer individuals themselves. You wouldn't bully an autistic person for being born with the disability, likewise for trans individuals; you shouldn't bully them for disliking their body because they didn't get to choose as well. Autistic individuals are also regarded as being out of the norm, so it's not something entirely crazy for them to be trans or queer themselves. It really fits into the 'outcasts' and 'unconventuality.' Autism as a whole is a spectrum, and not everyone has the same experiences (obviously).

Anyways, sorry for yapping, just really wanted to share my views on this

[punkrotting]

@_Izzy_ "feeling like youre something youre not" tgirls ARE girls and tboys ARE boys

[seal]

@w1ckedsticky1983 100/10 explanation

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@seal ty brah 🥹

[w1ckedsticky1983]

sex ≠ gender

[_Izzy_]

@w1ckedsticky1983 is what you described not gender disphoria tho? i think what u said abt not aligning with societies expectations makes sense but you can be a feminine man and even where dresses and still be a man if that makes sense (like rosado from fire emblemmm<3)
but if you 'dont like your [censored]' isnt that gender dysphoria?
anyways thanks for explaining it to me more, i think what im getting is its just a way ppl identify but its usually to cope with the mental disorder that is gemder dysphoria

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ well, gender dysphoria and being transgender can coexist at the same time. Feeling as if you're born in the wrong body is expected if you're transgender. It primarily depends on the person themselves and how comfortable they are in their born s3x and everything. Also, yw 4 explaining :P

[punkrotting]

@_Izzy_ No way you just said "cant you just be a feminine man"

[freedom fries]

@seal And you're completely dismissing "both sides are bad" as claims. No. They're simple facts. Have you been to a pride parade? It's probably the grossest shit you'll ever see that's legal. People peeing in rainbow pools isn't because they're "proud," it's because they're predatory sΕx gremlins.
Not to mention saying "misogyny is in everything" and "racism is in everything" is just ignorant and an immature exaggeration.

[_Izzy_]

@punkrotting wtf is wrong with saying that??? alot of men are feminine and still identify as men so idk what ur tryna say

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ feminity and identifying a women are different

[_Izzy_]

@w1ckedsticky1983 thats what im saying bruh TvT

[_Izzy_]

@freedom-fries bro WHAT pride parades are so fun TvT ig theres always bad apples but theyre actually pretty chill atleast the one in Springfield

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ but you're saying 'well, men can dress femininely, but can still identify as a male,' which is true, but isn't what being transgender is at all.

[freedom fries]

@_Izzy_ Subjective. If you think cheering on people in rainbow thongs on bicycles with old men swimming in pee-filled kiddie pools on the street is fun, you can think that if you like.