u guys need to be more woke

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ I'm just trying to clarify your beliefs,,

[KiwiFarmsArkavel]

Can we all just calm down and move on with this, I have a small feeling that this is getting out of hand

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@KiwiFarmsArkavel it really isn't, we're just having a discussion. It's not even becoming disrespectful or anything

[KiwiFarmsArkavel]

@w1ckedsticky1983 said in u guys need to be more woke:

@KiwiFarmsArkavel it really isn't, we're just having a discussion. It's not even becoming disrespectful or anything

Ik ik but I sniffed a hint of arguing within the next mile or something, you may proceed

[_Izzy_]

@w1ckedsticky1983 theres nothing wrong with considering it to be a disorder and i feel like that fact doesnt invalidate trans ppl bc what they feel is very much real and like i mentioned earlier i respect ppls pronouns and am not transphobic, i just dont get why it isnt recodnized as a disorder to be accepted

i think there would be less transphobia if we as a society acknowledged it for what it is and non-trans ppl would be able to understand it better which is the first step to being tolerant towards it and more accepting bc the way its viewed/talked about is just more confusing for non-trans folk and its contradicting

and like i mentioned earlier alot of non-trans ppl claiming to be trans is diluting its meaning, like i said being a feminine guy who even wheres dresses maybe doesnt make you trans, its a actual mental disorder real people experience and now its just a label ppl use to be a part of community

and once again this is why i wish they were separate from us bc it rlly should be its own thing

[freedom fries]

Delete ts Kiwi
Honestly Getting sick of statements like this, just say you're wrong. No reason to sugarcoat it with your funnis.
/s of course bredda

[punkrotting]

@_Izzy_ its not a disorder. like i said. tgirlls = girls n tboys = boys. also, nobody should have to accomodate transphobes!

[freedom fries]

@_Izzy_ "Think" and "feel" are key words here. You're dead wrong, but at least people will think you're just "feeling" that way.

[freedom fries]

@punkrotting I'm still a punk rotting yes I am

[_Izzy_]

@freedom-fries how am i wrong? please actually explain it

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ I dunno, I'm just a bit confused on what you mean. I can understand your ideology to an extent, but if we're going to view it as a mental disorder, then the first steps for transphobic attitudes to dissipate would be to destigmatize mental health as a whole. Majority of people don't take mental health that seriously, believe it or not. If we wanted to normalize it, the best approach would be to just frankly educate people and discuss about what it means in general.

Also, this statement: "my point was ppl who just say theyre trans bc the dont conform to societies expectations of their gender but dont 'feel' like a different gender just arent actually trans TvT theres just labelling themselves as such but theres no meaning behind it, if you dont feel like or want to be another [censored] then u are, (dont have gender dysphoria) then you arent trans," just feels immensely transphobic because you're practically saying that being transgender or other indenities alike
shouldn't be valid because you personally deem it as a disorder itself. You're trying to claim that because you identify as a different gender, it doesn't matter because in the end you aren't. Generally, if you don't identify with your birthgiven gender, you fall under the transgender umbrella term. I don't get wym by "it has no meaning behind it."

It's just strange to me how you claim that there's a certain requirement for being transgender that makes you valid. As far as I'm aware, you never really struggled with your identity, seeing as how you present yourself as very feminine and embrace your birth sexuality.

[_Izzy_]

@punkrotting you clearly dont understand what i wrote:/

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@punkrotting ⬆️⬆️⬆️‼️‼️

The first steps to destigmatize and normalize something is to break conformity and speak about the given subject instead of ignoring it 🐌‼️

[freedom fries]

@w1ckedsticky1983 Shut it. Nobody wants to listen to your next rant of you stroking your own ego about how trans good transphobe bad. Go ahead, type another paragraph. Nobody will listen to you.
/s

[_Izzy_]

@w1ckedsticky1983 i agree with the first part, being more accepting of mental illness would solve transphobia once we started acknowledging it as a mental illness
anyway idk wtf your second part is on abt i literally said it being a mental illness doesnt invalidate how they feel
if your a woman and feel like your a man your trans TvT
i feel like we're going in circles, if you dont understand my point then thats on you bc i explained it clearly this time

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@freedom-fries awuuughs,, does this mean we're not friends anymore?? :((((((((

[punkrotting]

@_Izzy_ said in u guys need to be more woke:

@punkrotting you clearly dont understand what i wrote:/

you LITERALLY said earlier that trans ppl believe theyre something they arent

[freedom fries]

@w1ckedsticky1983 sarcasm

[w1ckedsticky1983]

@_Izzy_ you don't understand my point as well either because I've explained it multiple times. Anyways, I'm done with this discussion as well for the same reasons 😪

[freedom fries]

@punkrotting I was a punk rotting yes I was