The fetishization of representation

[_Izzy_]

@Ⴑohnny.ƧƧ i was thinking the same thing but i dont wana shut ppl down, plus it is important to not let these things like ruin your day or whatever the point was

[Johnny.SS]

@_Izzy_ it died didn’t ruin my day but its uninspired to just say “Thats just the way it is” bc Thats WHY so much issues are still here today

[_Izzy_]

i think helluva boss has alot of feishized gay representation but idk if ppl agree bc the show is just inherently sexual

[_Izzy_]

@Ⴑohnny.ƧƧ yeah i agree, it feels like giving up to just like not talk abt it because thinking about it will make you feel upset

[_Izzy_]

i think the fact that ppl dont talk abt it is upsetting, i personally feel good when i talk abt these issues and ppl agree

[Johnny.SS]

@_Izzy_ people have gotten too comfortable with the “we have gone so far” mindset bc they believe that there’s minimal room for improvement and Thats far from the truth

[_Izzy_]

@Ⴑohnny.ƧƧ this is true but i think ppl engage in this mindset bc honestly how are you supposed to actually make a difference? for me all i can do is encourage discussion and try to have respectful rep in my own comics and stories

[_Izzy_]

but yeah society is far from perfect rn TvT

[Johnny.SS]

@_Izzy_ I don’t even feel it’s that hard and doesn’t even need to be anything crazy,just acknowledgment and not “people will be people” bc that removes accountability and takes away from the fact that it’s an actual issue

[BritishUnity]

@Ⴑohnny.ƧƧ I agree I never really minded it though sure the ones that go to far then I'm like ehhhhh but to some extent I don't hate it I only hate it if there only there because they think the charcters hot like if ur there cause of the plot and the hot thennn ehhh idrm

[Johnny.SS]

@BritishUnity if you like gooning just say that lil bro

[_Izzy_]

@BritishUnity well most ppl dont mind until it's a group their a part of only being talked abt when their sexualized

[_Izzy_]

but i agree that not all sexualization is bad, but actively fetishizing a group of people is just dehumanizing and ruins representation.

[BritishUnity]

@Ⴑohnny.ƧƧ nah I just don't hate the ppl that do it and don't believe they should be shamed for it

[BritishUnity]

@_Izzy_ yeah true but depending on the context most side characters if they get fetishized chances are no one cares for there plot because there's side character side characters even out of this are just forgotten/ignored so this is the only way they actually get noticed lmao besides the few that think they're amazing so that you can't stop mc tho they usually have a huge range of normality and other side when they don't have normality at all then that's the point it gets annoying lol

[Yanderemenhera]

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[_Izzy_]

@BritishUnity sexualizing and FETISHIZING are different, my fualt for using the world sexualizing

i dont mind sexualization as long as its done tastfully and is appropriate for the character (the character isnt rlly young or smth)

but fetishization of minorities is fucking disgusting
as a girl afro-hispanic person its actually very annoying when the only time people want to see or appreciate people like you is when they think you're hot and want to fantasize about you

i understand why yall dont care bc you probably cant relate and it doesnt seem like a big deal but it actually does make some people upset and is just dehumanizing once again

i think women in general are easily the most common victim of this but alot of female characters are WAYYY better now

anyway thats just my opinion, i obviously get why yall dont see the big deal or dont care but there is a valid reason as to why some ppl do care and want to talk abt it

anyway this is just my opinion:P

[_Izzy_]

@Ⴑohnny.ƧƧ i think ppl are misunderstanding the point of this post, it seems they think we mean sexualizing characters in general, i want to kinda remind them of the point but i feel like you would be able to articulate it better then me, like the difference between sexualization and fetishizing

[Johnny.SS]

@_Izzy_ yeah I agree with your first point completely. I think a lot of people in the replies misunderstood what we meant and assumed we were saying sexualization itself is bad, which isn’t really the argument.

Sexualization and fetishization are two different things.

Sexualization just means a character is portrayed as attractive or sensual. That can exist in media and still leave room for the character to be respected as an actual person in the story. If it fits the character and isn’t the only thing people see in them, most people don’t really mind it.

Fetishization is different because the character’s identity becomes the fantasy. Instead of people appreciating their writing, themes, or role in the story, their race, sexuality, or minority status becomes the thing people fixate on. That’s when it stops being appreciation and starts feeling objectifying.

That’s more what I was talking about in my post. You’ll see characters or interpretations get ignored, mocked, or rejected at first, but the moment sexualized fanart or edits start circulating, suddenly people start “liking” them. When the acceptance only comes once the character can be fantasized about, it kind of reveals what the attention is really about.

And like you said, racial minorities like black women tend to experience this the most. When the only time people loudly support or hype something is when it can be turned into a fantasy, it can feel less like representation and more like being reduced to a trope.

So yeah, the point wasn’t “characters can’t be attractive or sexualized.” It was just pointing out that there’s a difference between appreciating a character and only valuing them once they become something people can fetishize.

[_Izzy_]

i feel like our convo abt the fetishization of the kimono is a good example of how fetishization ruins representation, because it often just leads to completely watering down a culture and it feels more like appropriation then appreciation or actually representation when a culture is fetishized in media if that makes sense,

like the kimono is not supposed to be a sexual garmet and is actually designed to look very modest, with the 'sexy' part being how much the back of the neck is showing, and it's meant to actually hide curves, but some representation of the kimono in art or media would potray it in a more sexualized way, to the point were some Japanese people feel embarrassed to wear kimono bc of how much theyve been fetishized by media

srry yall if im not articulating this well TvT